E44: Christmas with The Grants

To celebrate the end of our first year at The Hidden 20%, we’re bringing back a familiar face from episode one: Carrie Grant!

This time, Carrie is joined by her husband, David Grant — the legendary vocal coaches from Pop Idol and Fame Academy. But beyond their iconic careers, the Grants are parents to four neurodivergent children, making them the perfect guests to explore what a neurodivergent Christmas looks like.

In this chat with Ben Branson, Carrie and David Grant share why Christmas should come with zero expectations, the importance of unmasking as a neurodivergent parent, why they allow their children to “walk away” on Christmas Day, the reality of gift-giving to neurodiverse people, and the changes they hope to see in 2025.